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George Riedel talks about today’s news

A key part of today’s Nortel news was the announcement of the intent to explore the divestiture of Nortel’s Metro Ethernet Networks business. This signals a shift in strategy for Nortel. George Riedel, Nortel’s Chief Strategy Officer, is central to this strategy. Yesterday, I asked George for his thoughts on the news, and what the potential sale of Nortel’s MEN business will mean for Nortel.

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George Riedel Nortel Chief Strategy Officer George Riedel

Q: Nortel is announcing a major change in strategic direction.  Why?

George Riedel: Three reasons 1) We have a very attractive asset in a strongly performing MEN business  2) This optical/carrier Ethernet segment of the industry needs consolidation and the time is ripe  3) We need to focus more resources on fewer bets and this gives us the wherewithal to do so.

Q: Why the Metro Ethernet Networks business?

Riedel: Our MEN business is a premium asset. We have a strong customer base in optical, we have a 40/100gig solution that uses technology unique to the industry and has a real time-to-market advantage with a compelling economic proposition to customers.  With the pending move by carriers to 40/100gig in the short term, an expanding use of this technology into other applications (e.g. routers, submarine), and a longer term convergence of packet optical platforms, we think there will be substantial interest in the business. I also think there is some unrealized value in the MEN business that can be unlocked. From a timing standpoint, we’ve built strong momentum, including over 25 wins and a range of successful trials in Tier 1 Service Providers such that we think there are a number of prospective parties who will see this as a very attractive asset.

Q: What timeframe do you expect to find an interested buyer?

Riedel: The exact timing is hard to predict, but again we think there will likely be considerable interest.  That said, we won’t be able to comment on progress publicly.

Q: Have you already had conversations with companies on a possible divestiture?

Riedel: Yes, we have started those conversations and no I won’t “name names”.  What I can say is that one of the historical challenges of industry consolidation is preventing “leakage” - where the potential benefits of a consolidation are eroded by competitors who offer to “rip and replace” the base with a comparable offer.  With our technology advantage now in ASICs for 40G and a follow-on 100G effort we are comfortable that the value proposition will continue to have real differentiation.

Q: How do you expect the divestiture of the MEN business to improve Nortel’s position?

Riedel: We’ve made great strides in improving the foundation and fundamentals of our business over the last few years. The difference in operating rhythm from when I first joined Nortel is night and day. Like others in the industry and financial community who have been vocal about Nortel’s need to do fewer things with greater focus and more depth, we have been looking for the right value creating opportunity and timeframe to act.  This change enables such an outcome by strengthening our balance sheet and providing capital for fewer growth investments.  Yes it’s a tough decision, but one built on the strength of the performance of a business after several years of investment and improvement. We are going to do fewer things and do them better, and we are going to align to the realities of scale and investment that it will take to win in this rapidly evolving market.

Q:  How will this impact the team running MEN? What about customers?

Riedel: Philippe Morin, the president of the business, has built a very strong team who will continue to drive the business and deliver against various customer commitments, including plan of record and ongoing trials.  He and the team remain focused on driving growth and performance improvement.

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Comments

  1. With this news Nortel just dug the first three feet of its grave…

  2. when will atleast one senior executive from Nortel come fwd. and state openly and plainly that a bigger mess is created; and apologize to shareholders?
    2 yrs ago when an analyst ask ed MikeZ do you have the scale to compete with Cisco, then he said we do and will and will expand accordingly. now he is saying we want to become “leaner ” and more focussed. the reality is that you guys had 2-3 yrs of a good economic environment to acheive atleast some of your goals.you did not and now you can blame the rest on the “challenging environment”. i hope the board has the courage to fire you all.

  3. There is not one point that GR makes that couldn’t have been written by anyone in the marketing department (in fact, I’m sure that’s how it happened) so why bother? The time for hype is long gone.

  4. As a share holder, it looks more like Nortel is interested in short term cash flow from the sale of a piece of the business , rather than long term growth or the interests of its customers. As a customer, this just opens up more opportunities for the competition to get in the door. It’s sad to see the company being split apart like this.

  5. ANW - I don’t like the accusation…especially since there’s only one person running this blog, and it’s me.

    Yesterday I interacted with George directly (via email and Blackberry) to get his answers for this post.

    If you scan through the other coverage today, I think you’ll see that there are some unique comments George provides above that aren’t provided anywhere else.

    Finding these same sentences and phases scattered across other places would be a tell-tale sign of a quick message board cut and paste — and I can tell you that you won’t find that.

  6. Bo, when are you going to have the courage to respond to the other issues raised in the different comments, ? and not just the “semantic” issue as to whether George raised some new points in this blog?

  7. Someone or someones in the company have long resisted change and have even put up resistance to Mike’s ambitions I would think.

    Foe what it’s worth today’s announcement of wanting to sell their MEN unit will finally be the beginning of some long needed changes that should have come when the two Gary’s from Cisco were hired by Bill Owens,but soon found a wall of resistance by insiders for “whatever” reason,and ultimately ended up leaving Nortel.

    I always felt that the progress and changes that have transpired at Nortel never quite matched Mike Z’s ambitions he had conveyed to all when he was first hired.

    I hope today’s announcement forces the BOD to take a much closer look at mid level management,because things are not adding up,and changes in this area are sorely needed.

    It doesn’t take a genius to realize that things are not adding up,just a mnth ago Nortel had maintained their 2008 guidance,and then all of a sudden they release the news today.

    This is almost reminiscent of what happend back in 2000,when all of a sudden Nortel dropped the bomb and declared that revenue was dropping off a cliff and caught everyone by surprise.

    Nortel should hire an outside firm to come in and assess what structural changes are needed within the company,because there is obviously a weakness in the system from (customer demand to sales orders to order bookings).

  8. mehta - I’m willing to answer any questions I can. I don’t see any unanswered here.

  9. Very sad day indeed.
    Selling MEN is indeed selling the very heart of Nortel.
    Nortel issues is in sales and sale team. I have seen en entire emerging markets covered by “one” Nortel Sales person (facing 10s of Cisco and Huawei people), so foget any growth since you have no sales people.

    George Ridal and the Executive team did everything they can focusing on internal politics and internal fighting and wasted too much G&A while they kept a very outnumbered sales teams to face their fate.

    Selling MEN was un-expected move that showes the worst type of leadership and vision. whatever the proceeds will be, it will evaporate same as how the UMTC prceeds are evaporated. Short term . Short term and only short term thinking by this exec team. Can anyone prove me wrong on this point?

    MEN is a great team indeed. They have a great R&D leader (Dino!) and the best engineers the industry have seen. Too bad they are led by cluless bunch.

  10. I have two thoughts in my mind.

    1. How are we going to the LTE trial with Verizon after we sold them 40G gear and then we sell the business?

    2. Why exactly today? When AIG is making the stock market tank (along with LEH, etc) and everyone is taking their money off the market and putting it in safer investments (i.e. gold, bonds)?

    I know the news weren’t so bad, but you spooked already scared investors.

  11. Folks - let’s try to keep the comments relevant. I just deleted a few comments from Rolly Reader because he had one too many that were completely nonsensical.

    I have no desire to moderate comments, but let’s keep Tim Horton’s, Elvis and woolie socks out of the conversation.

  12. @commentor - in one of his answers, Riedel highlights the fact that in the current market, Nortel needs to focus on fewer areas and do them better.

    In Mark Evans’ blog today (http://tinyurl.com/4bqp87) he pulled a Mike Z quote from this morning’s conference call: “We clearly understand the status quo is not an option for Nortel”

    Sure there is a short-term gain, but I think there is also an acknowledgment that we can no longer try to spread resources across so many areas if we are going to succeed - short-term or long-term.

  13. @david - for #1, not sure I can answer that one with any real insight, but I think your point is that relationships with customers are key. From what I’ve seen today, I know that the need to communicate directly and clearly with our customers about our future direction is top-of-mind.

    For #2 on why today. Realize that since the previous accounting issues in Nortel’s past, Mike Z and team have stated repeatedly that they want to give the market full transparency. If Nortel sees that our outlook has changed and we delay communicating that to the market (even for a few days), that’s not full transparency. That’s my two cents on it at least.

  14. Bo - I bet you could use a cold beer or two right about now. Your interaction here is appreciated. Regarding my ‘accusation’ that GR’s post was written by the marketing department (it was a bet really, not quite an accusation), Look at George’s answers. You may not have written the answers for him but I still bet that he was working from a script that was prepared and edited for him. Even if I’m wrong, look at his answers again. I could have written them for you. You could have written them for George without talking to him. There is zero insight, just company line, hence my question ‘why bother?’.

    What would I like to see? How about some rationale for why MEN was chosen over Enterprise or Carrier? How about mapping the decision to market size, timing, key customer focus, etc.. Those jokers running Nortel seem to make all strategic decisions by looking internally. I see no evidence of a strategic plan of any kind based on market insight. Everything is based on internal costs and that is like driving your car with the windshield painted black (or red, in Nortel’s case).

  15. ANW - good idea, two did the trick.

    I agree, the things you map out are important considerations. I hope and expect that those items and others were part of the vetting process (I, of course, am not in that loop).

    But keep in mind that today we announced the *intent* to sell the MEN business (officially “the intent to explore the divestiture” if you want the legal jargon), not a done deal. Since this is an action “still in progress”, it’s not necessarily advantageous to provide every detail. Considering the situation, I personally was happy at being able to get answers with the details given.

  16. Mr. Gowan,
    I admire courage. You have it. Thank you for providing a forum for investors, among others, to comment. I regret that some folks elect to make this personal. I have hung tough with Nortel for along time. I did not sell a single share today. I will admit I wanted to. I just could not find the logic in selling shares that had fallen 50% in a single day because of a 2-4% reduction in annual revenues. I hope the employees of Nortel will appreciate the conviction of a few investors and work especially hard to save this company. Thank you again for the opportunity to share our thoughts.

  17. Thx Lee. This was not an ideal day to be the host of a Nortel news blog :) However, providing a forum for comments (good or bad) is a critical part of what we’re doing here - and they do get read by Nortel execs.

    I understand the skepticism readers have with some of the posts — the line I walk between providing commentary on the news and “spinning” the news is a subjective one, and the fact that some see this blog as just another outlet for “corporate spin” is not all that surprising.

    Using blogs like this to communicate is still a work in progress for us, but I hope the content and the discussions provide some value.

  18. Lee - Nortel shares did not fall 50% today because of “a 2-4% reduction in annual revenues.” Nortel revenues fell 50% because:

    1. Confidence is gone because today’s announcement was a big flip-flop from the August 1st conference call. Hard to understand how things can go from “we’re in growth mode now” to “we need to focus on a narrower portfolio” in 264 working HOURS.

    2. A lot of the market viewed MEN as one of Nortel’s bright spots. Strong team and a lot of potential upside on the horizon. Putting MEN on the block is a sign of desperation or lack of market insight. Not good either way. The lack of any information around “why MEN” vs other options didn’t help, IMHO. A lot of Nortel’s hyped strategy - although weak - now goes out the window.

    If this was a strategic act, there would have been more info provided on how this fits into an updated strategy. The lack of such strategic info, IMHO, implies that this is a financially driven move in the absence of strategy - and that is truly frightening.

  19. It does seem a change in Nortel strategy. Sell a strong asset whilst it’s worth something, as opposed to divest as asset that’s not. Someone has decided that MEN is not going to be worth as much to Nortel in future as it is now, obviously.

    I think Nortel expertise is in R&D and integration rather than selling. Nortel invents & develops 40/100, PBT, some LTE etc but doesn’t have the size/reach/relationships to get traction. Others can market and sell much better, and are prepared to pay well for the product.

    I see this as Nortels’ future. Lead with the technology but then offload for a profit before the cheaper competitors with entrenched markets catch up and overtake.

  20. Bo, the answers that you/ nortel have not provided convincingly is the about face in the overall strategy apart from the “spin” good time to monetize this asset.given the financial squeeze in the world, you obviously will not get best price. if it is a distressed sale to fix the balance sheet, it would be better to acknowledge that.

  21. nishit- don’t you know that actions speak louder than words.

    When your set on wanting to sell your “premium asset” in this current enviroment,you know your not going to get top dollar for it.

    But at least it’s a public acknowledgement that some bad decisions or indecisions were made,as crazy as it sounds this could be the beginning of what has truly been needed within Nortel for quite some time.

    Jean Monty-any comments?

  22. Harry - I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. If we’re not doing much in the way of hardware, but just software and R&D, then aren’t we back to BNR? Not that there is anything wrong with that, but back in the BNR days, we had a _very_ solid relationship with Bell.

    Who does the new Nortel see and being the primary customer for our R&D today?

  23. Jean, it was not presented as a mistake, rather as a sign of strength. so i have aprblm with the way they are spinning this failure.
    2. remember 2 yrs ago they sold a division to Alcatel at that point the strategy was to focus on the newer high tech innovations.now they want to sell a unit that just 2 months ago was being touted as one of their Aces.
    lets assume that the new focus in on enterprise software, does Nortel truly feel they have the scale and competetivness to go against IBM, Cisco etc. lets be honest they do not.
    just today an analyst from JPM downgraded the stock to underperform siting “restructuring stalled”the options for Nortel are dwindling; wonder what the employee morale is? whilst these senior mgmt. guys continue to travel in 1st class, and fat salaries and buy out packages.i stuck with mike all the way from 28 and finally got so pissed yesterday i dumped the shares. yes i am pissed about the monetary loss, but more imp. the lack of accountability about having messed up is just not there. one last eg. today the CEO of Ryannair openly said “i screwed up when i did not hedge the oil price as it kept going up. if Mike Z had said that even once all along i would say ok. this guy is willing and able to admit his gaffes.
    enough lokk fwd to your reply

  24. Dan: In enterprise Nortel are fantastic at positioning into channels. They should take that expertise and start selling to current Carrier competitors. Huawei, ALU, NOkiaSiemens etc. Position Nortel as an R&D and integration expert firm who can deliver them amazing product (both boxes and services) to then sell to operators.

    Have Sales focus on Cisco, Erikkson, Siemens Nokia etc as Accounts, not competitors. It’s the natural evolution path now.

  25. nishit-I believe that Mike Z’s current situation is a two part problem,1)he has been preaching “renewed shareholder value” and the current shareprice speaks volume on that.

    2)All this talk of improved internal controls with respect to every aspect of the organization is clearly lacking,yesterday’s announcement being so different from just 1 month ago confirms this.

    I personally feel that there is still too much individualism that is creating some weak links in the entire organization.

    When you have to revise your 2nd half revenue outlook by as much as 6 percent in just one month,this indicates some miscommunication at some level.

    There are a few ways of looking at the MEN divestiture-

    1)Because this unit is considered a “premium asset” there is a better chance of finding a potential buyer and if sold,not only would it provide an infusion of cash,but also allow Nortel to avoid further restructuring charges as a result of not laying workers of from this division(those restructuring charges are a killer,I’m sure Pavi has brought this up)so in a way by selling this unit,gives Nortel a chance to downsize without the associated costs that go with it,not to mention that it will also allow most of the workers in that division to keep their jobs or at least face only minimal layoffs.I’m not sure what the headcount is for the MEN unit,but using the law of averages,I would estimate there are about 4500 workers,and so this sale could help Nortel avoid potential restructuring costs of about $500 million(based on the average of previous layoffs)while allowing them to focus more on fewer divisions.

    People question why they are selecting the MEN unit as opposed to the ES unit,for one thing I would assume that there are more workers involved in their Enterprise division(8K workers?) and so it might be a harder asset to sell in the current enviroment because it is larger,not to mention that margins relative to sales are smaller,so this could make it less attractive and ultimately not have the resale value Nortel execs would hope for.

    Another possibility why they are chosing the MEN unit as a potential divestiture is because there may be a quicker recovery in spending within the Enterprise segment of the overall economy,this would allow them to resume their asault on Cisco’s market share.They have a great thing going right now with the “Cisco Energy Tax” campaign,not to mention that on the other side of the economic recovery Enterprise customers might be looking at alternatives to Cisco’s 60 something gross margins,which gives Nortel an opportunity if they play their cards right.

    So I would say that chosing to divest the MEN unit would be the lesser of the two evils at this point in time.

    maybe Bo can clarify the headcount numbers I estimated on for both units.

  26. I’d spin it off, give the company a new name, and let it grow. This would be to me in the best interest of the employees there. Wasn’t Netgear spun off by Nortel ?

  27. @ANW - who works an 8 hour day anymore? @Harry - I don’t see Nortel turning into an R&D house with others selling. We’ve been building up our services business, and there is a big installed base that trusts their direct relationship with Nortel.

  28. @Mehta for #20 - I think the Nortel execs have made an acknowledgment that strengthening the balance sheet is part of the reason here. I’ve seen that in articles and heard it on the Mike Z conf call.

  29. @Bill - to your question…

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    maybe Bo can clarify the headcount numbers I estimated on for both units.
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    There are ~1,100 people in Nortel’s MEN org. Philippe Morin actually addressed this question in his interview with Light Reading (http://tinyurl.com/4eow7w).

    Philippe said this: Nortel’s got a very “matrix” organization. In terms of the direct R&D and direct marketing and so on, we’ve got about 1,000 employees based in Ottawa and Montreal. But then you’ve got the operations folks, the sales force, the corporate marketing folks -– so that’s a number we haven’t made public. Obviously, there’s a whole organization around the business unit to support it.

  30. Thanks Bo- alot less workers than I thought.

    I know for a fact that Phillipe is a well respected leader and will do well for whomever buys the division.

  31. Good bye Fiberworld. Welcome to 1988 all over again.

  32. Bo, do you really think that Nortel and Mike Z acknowledging that sale of MEN and would strengthen their balance heet is an acknowlodgment of a failed strategy?
    on the last conf. call Pavi said to an analyst our balance sheet is strong; then why sell the “jewel” in stressful times?during all this time if Mike Z openly acknowledged mistakes made during this restructuring his credibility would increase dramatically.and finally is the market wrong in crushing the shares?

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